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It's been so life changing and life affirming to have access to fertility benefits. ","episode_intro_guest":"Shannon Fender","episode_intro_company":"Progyny member","episode_banner_section_intro_text":"This is Infertility is a bi-weekly podcast where we fuse narrative storytelling with experience and science to give you a new perspective on what it\u2019s really like to go through a family building journey. Each episode dives into the emotional, physical, and financial burdens carried by those who experience infertility on their path to parenthood. Be it IVF, IUI, egg freezing, surrogacy, adoption, etc., the path is never the same and it can be long, painful, and lonely. 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Those who teeter between the options, unsure of their decision, know that one thing is true; time is ticking.<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">Today\u2019s guest, Shannon Fender, wasn\u2019t always certain about parenthood, but at one point she realized she should put things in place in case that was something she wanted to pursue in the future. In this episode, Shannon dives into her experience with egg freezing and her gratitude for employers like hers, who have chosen to invest in the lives of their employees. Shannon is joined by Dr. Kathy Hong, an REI from RMA of NJ, where she describes the medical preparation and procedure that\u2019s part of the egg freezing process.<\/span>\r\n\r\n<b><span data-contrast=\"none\">Guests: <\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"none\">Shannon Fender, Progyny member<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">, Dr. Kathy Hong, RMA of New Jersey<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"335559738":0,"335559739":0}\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<b><span data-contrast=\"none\">Host: <\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"none\">Dan Bulger, Progyny<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">For more information, visit Progyny\u2019s Podcast page and <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.progyny.com\/education\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">Progyny\u2019s Education page<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"none\"> for more resources. Be sure to follow us on Instagram, @ThisisInfertilityPodcast and use the #ThisisInfertility. Have a question, comment, or want to share your story? Email us at <\/span><a href=\"mailto:thisisinfertility@progyny.com\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">thisisinfertility@progyny.com<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"none\">.<\/span>\r\n\r\nThis podcast is also available to watch on YouTube.\r\n<iframe title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/5sZUIx4wbZI?si=WmlrcDl5ODHoN9zG\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">Here are some highlights from this episode:<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><b>A Change in Mind<\/b><\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">03:21 \u2013 06:44<\/span>\r\n<div style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">\r\n\r\n<b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Shannon Fender:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> I swore up and down in my twenties that I didn't want kids. I wasn't going to have them and then stereotypically reached my thirties and realized that might not be true for me. So, here I am in my mid-thirties. I don\u2019t have a partner currently and I\u2019m not looking to start a family right away, but I\u2019m interested in preserving my fertility until a later date, and very much understand that there is a biological clock associated with that. <\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">I first heard about egg freezing during a <\/span><i><span data-contrast=\"none\">Sex in the City <\/span><\/i><span data-contrast=\"none\">episode. Miranda talked about creating a fertility savings account. And so, I was kind of familiar with that concept. And then of course, I heard about IVF over time, and I had several friends who for different reasons, either had frozen their eggs or gone <\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">through IVF and so I did know about it beforehand.<\/span>\r\n\r\n<b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Dr. Kathy Hong:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> In a typical month with egg freezing, you have a group of eggs that is dormant, and one of them is activated by the hormones that are secreted from the brain. And this allows one follicle to grow which is a container for an egg and that one grows, and you ovulate that and the egg is released and can potentially get together with a sperm if you're trying to get pregnant. The concept with egg freezing is that there are a number of dormant eggs that month that are otherwise not being activated. And instead of just utilizing the one that month to save for the future, what we can do is have you take medications that are usually in the form of injectable medications. And these basically step into the place of where your brain would normally stimulate the growth of one follicle, and you can stimulate the growth of the entire group of otherwise dormant follicles. So that group of follicles would normally just die off at the end of that month if you're not using them. The concept with egg freezing is that you can actually save the eggs within them for the future. It makes it much more efficient than just saving one egg per month. And at the end of that month, you've saved yourself a group of eggs and your future self can have access to a younger version of you to help to conceive with.<\/span>\r\n\r\n<b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Dan Bulger:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> The eggs that are retrieved can then be frozen using vitrification. And those eggs can be kept in storage for as long as you might need. The eggs won't age while frozen. When needed, they can be thawed and then utilized.<\/span>\r\n\r\n<\/div>\r\n<span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><b>Possibility with Progyny<\/b><\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">07:34 \u2013 16:19<\/span>\r\n<div style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">\r\n\r\n<b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Shannon Fender:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> You know, I wasn't really looking for the fertility benefit when I joined my current employer, but I found out about it quickly after I joined and was just really excited about it. Once I found out the out-of-pocket costs for me were going to max out at $4,000, I figured out a way to swing it. And that made it really easy. But my understanding is that this can cost you know, upwards of $20,000 to do without the benefit. So that would have been out of reach for me right now. I may have been able to do it sometime in the future. But no time like the present, as I've learned with egg freezing. I\u2019m 34, kind of reaching that tipping point into 35, where it starts to be more difficult for women to conceive naturally, it really kind of aligned to the right time for me to be able to do it.<\/span>\r\n\r\n<b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Dr. Kathy Hong:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> When you do egg freezing and you take injectable medications, it usually takes about seven to ten days for those injectable medications to cause a group of follicles to grow. 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