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want people to feel less alone, understand that this is a really hard time, and you need to forgive yourself. ","episode_intro_guest":"","episode_intro_company":"","episode_banner_section_intro_text":"This is Infertility is a bi-weekly podcast where we fuse narrative storytelling with experience and science to give you a new perspective on what it\u2019s really like to go through a family building journey. Each episode dives into the emotional, physical, and financial burdens carried by those who experience infertility on their path to parenthood. Be it IVF, IUI, egg freezing, surrogacy, adoption, etc., the path is never the same and it can be long, painful, and lonely. It\u2019s our mission to give those struggling a platform to be heard, a community connection, and an opportunity to raise awareness of the 1 in 6 who, for many reasons, struggle with infertility.","episode_page_title":"Episode 112: The Trying Game: IVF, Miscarriage, and a Book ","episode_embed_code":"<iframe style=\"border: none;\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/19947305\/height\/90\/theme\/custom\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/backward\/render-playlist\/no\/custom-color\/8f4b9b\/stats-code\/progynylandingpage-112\/\" width=\"100%\" height=\"90\" scrolling=\"no\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe>","episode_details":"<span data-contrast=\"none\">We\u2019ve said often on this podcast that sharing a journey can be very cathartic for both the person sharing as well as for the audience. This was certainly the case for author Amy Klein, author and fertility advocate who chronicled her\u00a0four-year\u00a0journey with\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/progyny.com\/education\/fertility-101\/what-is-ivf\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">IVF<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u00a0and\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/progyny.com\/education\/fertility-101\/pregnancy-loss-risks\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">recurrent\u00a0pregnancy loss<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u00a0through a column in the\u00a0<\/span><i><span data-contrast=\"none\">New York Times<\/span><\/i><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u00a0and eventually, a book.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":259}\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">Amy\u2019s story consists of\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/progyny.com\/education\/ivf-facts\/evaluating-your-fertility-second-opinion\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">ten doctors<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"none\">, nine rounds of\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/progyny.com\/education\/ivf-facts\/the-ivf-treatment-process-a-step-by-step-guide\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">IVF<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"none\">, four miscarriages, an international move, and eventually, a healthy baby girl. And while Amy\u2019s\u00a0experience\u00a0was unique to her and her husband, her stories and advice have already helped thousands out there struggling with their own version of infertility.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":259}\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<b><span data-contrast=\"none\">Guest:\u00a0<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"none\">Amy Klein, The Trying Game: Get Through Fertility Treatment and Get Pregnant Without Losing Your Mind<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":259}\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<b><span data-contrast=\"none\">Host:\u00a0<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"none\">Dan Bulger<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":259}\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">If you want to purchase \u2018The Trying Game\u2019, you can find it\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/thetryinggamebook.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">here<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"none\">.\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":259}\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">For more information, visit\u202fProgyny\u2019s\u202f<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.progyny.com\/podcast\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">Podcast page<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u202f<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">and\u202f<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/progyny.com\/education\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">Progyny\u2019s Education page\u202f<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"none\">for more resources.\u202f<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":240}\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">Be sure to follow us on Instagram,\u202f<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/instagram.com\/thisisinfertilitypodcast\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">@ThisisInfertilityPodcast<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u202f<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">and use the\u202f#ThisisInfertility.\u202f\u202f\u202f\u202f<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":240}\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">Have a question, comment, or want to share your story? Email us at\u202f<\/span><a href=\"mailto:thisisinfertility@progyny.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">thisisinfertility@progyny.com<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"none\">.<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u202f<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":240}\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<b><span data-contrast=\"none\">Here are some highlights from this episode:<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":259}\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><b>Writing About IVF<\/b><\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":259}\">\r\n<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">2:05\u00a0\u2013 3:28<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":259}\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b><span data-contrast=\"none\">Dan Bulger:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u00a0When she did enter the world of fertility treatment, she knew right away that it was something she should write about.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":259}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b><span data-contrast=\"none\">Amy Klein:\u00a0<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"none\">I felt like I entered this secret world -- you go into a clinic, and\u00a0suddenly, there's a long line out the door, where people are lining up at six in the morning. And your husband\u00a0must\u00a0go to a\u00a0sperm\u00a0collection room, which is basically a porn\u00a0room. So as an author, I just thought, wow, this is like a crazy world.\u00a0It was like I\u00a0entered this Dungeons and Dragons place that no one's talking about;\u00a0I felt like I entered the secret society.\u00a0Because I have a health background, and I\u00a0write\u00a0about what I'm doing,\u00a0I just started writing articles\u00a0and essays\u00a0for the\u00a0<\/span><i><span data-contrast=\"none\">New York Times<\/span><\/i><span data-contrast=\"none\">, completely unsolicited. One day,\u00a0my editor\u00a0called\u00a0me,\u00a0and she said,\u00a0\u201cWhy don't we make this a column?\u201d\u00a0And we were both so naive. She\u00a0suggested I write\u00a0about this for like three or four months, and then\u00a0we would\u00a0transition it into a pregnancy column.\u00a0We had the same misconception that if you can\u2019t get pregnant you do IVF\u00a0and in a\u00a0few months,\u00a0you\u2019ll be pregnant.\u00a0Well,\u00a0I ended up writing 30 more columns over three years before I finally had my daughter.\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":259}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\r\n<span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><b>Moving Overseas for Coverage<\/b><\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":259}\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">4:01\u00a0\u2013 5:28<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":259}\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b><span data-contrast=\"none\">Amy Klein:\u00a0<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"none\">We moved to Israel because IVF is free in Israel.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":259}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b><span data-contrast=\"none\">Dan Bulger:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u00a0It certainly says something about the systems we have in place when people are incentivized to leave our country\u00a0in order to\u00a0access the care that they need. At Progyny, we believe that everyone should have access to fertility treatment. But Amy didn't have good coverage for IVF. And IVF is very expensive.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":259}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b><span data-contrast=\"none\">Amy Klein:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u00a0It\u2019s not\u00a0really free\u00a0because of the ancillary costs. I guess you just always\u00a0have to\u00a0figure out what the other costs are involved when you're doing this.\u00a0We did end up saving about $100,000 on those four rounds of IVF with genetic testing, but there were other costs we didn\u2019t\u00a0foresee. Plus, being away from my support network was hard.\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":259}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>","episode_host_image":22650,"episode_host_title":"Dan Bulger, Producer at Progyny","episode_host_bio":"Dan has been in the healthcare industry for the last six years as a multimedia content producer. Better known as \u2018Video Dan\u2019 he as interviewed numerous doctors, patients and other experts in the world of fertility. He\u2019s also the producer for this podcast, This is Infertility. On a personal note Dan\u2019s parents started fostering kids when he was four years old, and he considers himself a proud older brother to over 100 foster children.","episode_guest_1_image":22651,"episode_guest_1_title":"Amy Klein, Author of The Trying Game: Get Through Fertility Treatment and Get Pregnant Without Losing Your Mind\u202f\u202f ","episode_guest_1_bio":"<span data-contrast=\"auto\">Amy Klein<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0is the author of\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com\/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fthetryinggamebook.com%2Fpraise-press-excerpts%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1Ji8b6u5VCjGSDGY-4S8o-PFGkXx0CQVR7xntJy3rb-lIMcNMQ3x_x-Q4&data=01%7C01%7Cselena.yang%40progyny.com%7C158c5c2b48514c81f73d08d834aac393%7Ceef2991d10694afabfcfa4a93c00b52d%7C0&sdata=o1aObdf6g4rlSELI5SeuYtZXZ6cI%2BZBbeLPi%2F66Atis%3D&reserved=0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b><span data-contrast=\"none\">The Trying Game: Get Through Fertility Treatment and Get Pregnant Without Losing Your Mind\u202f\u202f<\/span><\/b><\/a><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":0,"335559740":240}\">\u00a0<\/span><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">(Penguin\/Random House)<\/span><\/i><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,\u00a0<\/span><\/i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">which is based, in part, on her New York Times \"Fertility Diary\" column, following her four-year journey (ten doctors, nine rounds of IVF, four miscarriages and two donors) to have her daughter. Part memoir, part prescriptive,\u00a0<\/span><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">The Trying Game\u00a0<\/span><\/i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">talks to doctors, therapists, scientists and patients to deal with the medical and emotional struggle of baby-making.\u202f<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com\/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fthetryinggamebook.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F07%2FLibrary-Journal-April-2020.pdf&data=01%7C01%7Cselena.yang%40progyny.com%7C158c5c2b48514c81f73d08d834aac393%7Ceef2991d10694afabfcfa4a93c00b52d%7C0&sdata=s5N%2BLQ3roOx3ZHACunfWJL1CuPxdF%2BIoxq2K%2BxEBmA4%3D&reserved=0\"><i><span data-contrast=\"none\">Library Journal\u00a0<\/span><\/i><\/a><span data-contrast=\"auto\">says \"Klein\u2019s compassionate writing style makes this an excellent book for anyone dealing with fertility issues.\"<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":0,"335559740":240}\"> \u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Find her on:\u202f<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com\/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fthetryinggame_infertilitybook%2F&data=01%7C01%7Cselena.yang%40progyny.com%7C158c5c2b48514c81f73d08d834aac393%7Ceef2991d10694afabfcfa4a93c00b52d%7C0&sdata=zD33i1w16Rwal8mUx%2F0wZsWLB4F4o9HMvFFRgatKzP0%3D&reserved=0\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">Instagram<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u202f<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com\/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FAmydKlein&data=01%7C01%7Cselena.yang%40progyny.com%7C158c5c2b48514c81f73d08d834aac393%7Ceef2991d10694afabfcfa4a93c00b52d%7C0&sdata=TUFZd%2Fy1OqoL6m1jJA7I6o80TQ87mAjye7FIOjARBZo%3D&reserved=0\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">Twitter<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u202f<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com\/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fkleinslines%2F&data=01%7C01%7Cselena.yang%40progyny.com%7C158c5c2b48514c81f73d08d834aac393%7Ceef2991d10694afabfcfa4a93c00b52d%7C0&sdata=EnIMupO2wqbm4oRaR%2F%2B25MljNRdSKCnRHBtJZ14Urh4%3D&reserved=0\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">Facebook.<\/span><\/a>","episode_guest_2_image":"","episode_guest_2_title":"","episode_guest_2_bio":"","episode_guest_3_image":"","episode_guest_3_title":"","episode_guest_3_bio":"","episode_guest_4_image":"","episode_guest_4_title":"","episode_guest_4_bio":"","episode_guest_5_image":"","episode_guest_5_title":"","episode_guest_5_bio":"","episode_music_section_links":"<span data-contrast=\"none\">Artist:\u00a0Komiku<\/span>\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">Track:\u00a0Chill Out Theme<\/span>\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">URL:\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/<\/span><\/a><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":259}\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">Artist:\u00a0Lee\u00a0Resevere<\/span>\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">Track:\u00a0Everywhere<\/span>\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">URL: https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">Track:\u00a0I wanted to live<\/span>\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">URL: https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">Track:\u00a0Quizitive<\/span>\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">URL: https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{"201341983":0,"335559739":160,"335559740":259}\">\u00a0<\/span>"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/progyny.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast\/20450","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/progyny.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/progyny.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/podcast"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/progyny.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=20450"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/progyny.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=20450"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/progyny.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=20450"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}