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We hope by doing so we can do our small part to help change the conversation and enhance public understanding that infertility needs attention and to ensure others they aren\u2019t alone in this journey.\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">In today\u2019s episode, we hear from\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">two\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">previous guests<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0who took very different journeys but ultimately, made it to the same destination: motherhood.\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:257}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">Jenna Marinelli\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">was diagnosed with premature menopause and told it would be unable to conceive using her eggs. After accepting this difficult news, Jenna and her husband moved forward with an\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/progyny.com\/education\/ivf-facts\/egg-donation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">anonymous donor<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"auto\">, who made it possible for Jenna\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">to give birth to three children<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">.\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:257}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">Laura Perez\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">unsure of her relationship but aware\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">that she was getting older, used her Progyny benefit to\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/progyny.com\/education\/fertility-101\/egg-freezing\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">freeze her eggs<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0at 35.\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Since<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0then<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0she\u2019s\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">gotten married and\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">started to think about having a baby. So<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0she\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">decided\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">to use her frozen eggs<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0and\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">was left with one healthy embryo<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">.\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:257}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\"><strong>Guests:<\/strong>\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Laura Perez<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Senior Director, Claims and Provider Service at Progyny and Jenna\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Marinelli<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">, Infertility Advocate<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\"><strong>Host:<\/strong>\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Dan Bulger, Producer at Progyny<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"auto\">Be sure to check out Jenna\u2019s previous episode\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/progyny.com\/podcast\/episode-4\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">season 1,\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">episode 4\u00a0<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0and Laura\u2019s previous episode\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/progyny.com\/podcast\/episode-24\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">season 1, episode 24<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"auto\">.\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">For more information visit\u202fProgyny\u2019s<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u202f<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.progyny.com\/podcast\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">Podcast page<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u202f<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">,\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">and\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/progyny.com\/education\/emotional-support-and-awareness\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">Progyny\u2019s Education page<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u202f<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">for more resources on emotional support and awareness.<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u202f<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u202f<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:true,&quot;134233118&quot;:true,&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">Be sure to follow us on Instagram,<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u202f<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/instagram.com\/thisisinfertilitypodcast\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">@ThisisInfertilityPodcast<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u202f<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">and use the<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u202f<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">#ThisisInfertility.<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u202f\u202f<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u202f<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:true,&quot;134233118&quot;:true,&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">Have a question, comment, or want to share your story? Email us at<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u202f<\/span><a href=\"mailto:thisisinfertility@progyny.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span data-contrast=\"none\">thisisinfertility@progyny.com<\/span><\/a><span data-contrast=\"none\">.<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u202f<\/span><span data-contrast=\"none\">\u202f<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:true,&quot;134233118&quot;:true,&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span data-contrast=\"none\">Here are some highlights from this episode:\u202f\u202f<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><b>Jenna\u2019s Story: Premature Menopause, Donor Egg, and Motherhood<\/b>\r\n<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">4:30\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u2013<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">12:48<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Jenna Marinelli:\u00a0<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">I had no eggs at all<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0and I was told that I would need an egg donor. It took us a while to get on board but once we did<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0and found an anonymous donor who donated six fertilized eggs, we transferred two and I had twin boys. Then last December, we transferred another embryo and I gave birth to my daughter, Brianna, in August. And we\u2019ve completed our family.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Dan Bulger<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">: Jenna has a\u00a0fairly straightforward\u00a0infertility diagnosis, premature ovarian insufficiency, which ultimately meant that she\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">experienced premature menopause. This meant that she was not going to be able to get pregnant with her own eggs.\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span data-contrast=\"auto\">But Jenna is now a mother of three, which at one point, felt like something that was maybe not going to be possible for the Marinelli<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0family. Just because she\u2019s reached a happy resolution, though, doesn\u2019t mean that infertility hasn\u2019t shaped her life.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Jenna Marinelli:\u00a0<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">It is 100% a part of me forever. You never forget and just because I have children doesn\u2019t mean that I lose my diagnosis of premature ovarian insufficiency.\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Dan Bulger<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">: It\u2019s safe to say there have been a lot of challenges for the\u00a0Marinellis\u00a0over the years. The biggest challenge for Jenna was coming to terms with the idea of using a genetic donor.\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Jenna Marinelli<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">:<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0The whole \u201cyou\u2019re not going to be genetically related to your kids\u201d thing was an obstacle that I had to get past, and it did take me a couple of years.\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">But I realized, I don\u2019t\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">really<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0care where my kids come from, they can come from me or whoever else, they\u2019re going to be my kids.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\r\n<span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><b>Laura\u2019s Story: The Progyny Benefit, Frozen Eggs, and Becoming a Mom<\/b>\r\n<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">12:26<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u2013<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">20:18<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Laura Perez:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0I was\u00a0actually one\u00a0of the first few people at Progyny to use the Progyny benefit.\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">I decided at the age of 35 to freeze my eggs as a security blanket.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Dan Bulger<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">: The process was a huge success for Laura, as it resulted in 1<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">5 eggs in storage. And with 15 eggs frozen and a relationship better than ever, the future certainly felt bright.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Laura Perez:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0Then, my husband had a freak accident, and it woke us both us. Anything can happen in life, and we decided to see if we can start a<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0family. And we took that chance after he recovered.\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">After thawing and fertilizing the eggs, we only had one genetically normal embryo,\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">which became my miracle baby.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Dan Bulger:\u00a0<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">What makes fertility preservation such an incredible resource is the fact that the future is uncertain.\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Laura Perez:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0I think having the benefit helped me take control of the journey, and it was the best decision I could have made. Not knowing then what I know now,\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">I don\u2019t know if I would have been able to do another retrieval\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">three<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0years\u00a0after my first and have the same success.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>","episode_host_image":22510,"episode_host_title":"Dan Bulger, Producer at Progyny","episode_host_bio":"<span class=\"TextRun SCXW148326315 BCX0\" lang=\"EN-US\" xml:lang=\"EN-US\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW148326315 BCX0\" data-wac-het=\"1\">Dan has been in the healthcare industry for the last six years as a multimedia content producer. Better known as \u2018Video Dan\u2019 he as interviewed numerous doctors, patients and other experts in the world of fertility. He\u2019s also the producer for this podcast,\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun ContextualSpellingAndGrammarErrorV2 SCXW148326315 BCX0\" data-wac-het=\"1\">This<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW148326315 BCX0\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0is Infertility. On a personal note Dan\u2019s parents started fostering kids when he was four years old, and he considers himself a proud older brother to over 100 foster children.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"EOP SCXW148326315 BCX0\" data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span>","episode_guest_1_image":22511,"episode_guest_1_title":"Laura Perez, Senior Director, Claims and Provider Service at Progyny ","episode_guest_1_bio":"<span class=\"TextRun SCXW129558097 BCX0\" lang=\"EN-US\" xml:lang=\"EN-US\" data-contrast=\"none\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW129558097 BCX0\" data-wac-het=\"1\">Laura oversees the provider relations and billing\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun ContextualSpellingAndGrammarErrorV2 SCXW129558097 BCX0\" data-wac-het=\"1\">specialists<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW129558097 BCX0\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0team that supports Progyny members with their claims, authorizations, and bills, and they also help provide clinical outcomes data. She strives in ensuring compassion and understanding is key during\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun AdvancedProofingIssueV2 SCXW129558097 BCX0\" data-wac-het=\"1\">each individual\u2019s<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW129558097 BCX0\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0journey to parenthood is achieved here at Progyny. It gives her joy knowing that she is part of an organization that fulfills dreams and brings happiness to families every day. Prior to joining Progyny, Laura was Vice President, Claims administration at US imaging. She has been in Healthcare Management for the last 13 years and has spent a large portion of her management on business operations related to processing systems, system upgrades and workflows of claims operations.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"EOP SCXW129558097 BCX0\" data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:240}\" data-wac-het=\"1\">\u00a0<\/span>","episode_guest_2_image":22512,"episode_guest_2_title":"Jenna Marinelli, Infertility Advocate ","episode_guest_2_bio":"<span class=\"TextRun SCXW90418939 BCX0\" lang=\"EN-US\" xml:lang=\"EN-US\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW90418939 BCX0\" data-wac-het=\"1\">Jenna married her high school sweetheart, Nick, in 2009 &amp; they live right outside of Philadelphia, PA. In 2010, she was diagnosed with premature ovarian insufficiency at the age of 26. Over the next 6 years, she and Nick endured 5 failed IVF cycles, 2 egg donors, &amp; 1 miscarriage. In 2016, she gave birth to two healthy baby boys with the help of an egg donor on their 6th IVF cycle. 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